May 01, 2007
Why He Joined Willow Creek and My Knee-jerk Reaction
Dr. Joseph Zichterman is a graduate of Bob Jones University, taught at Northland Baptist Bible College, and is now a member at Willow Creek. He is an expert on the Church Growth Movement, once as an antagonist, now as a friend.
I do not know Joseph Zichterman personally, but he and I share mutual friends. Last night I received an email from him that had been sent to thousands of his contacts. It included a link to his new website and a short notice that he and his wife were taking a “new direction.” I immediately scanned through the website, saw the audio file “Why I Joined Willow Creek” and read Joseph’s bold affirmation of his involvement in the Emergent conversation. I knew I would have to listen to it.
I must have sighed or something because Jennie commented, “It upsets you, doesn’t it?” I grunted, “No. I don’t even know him.”
But it did upset me. In the middle of the night I found myself staring at the ceiling and stating in plain terms to the God I love that I hate fundamentalism. I hate a certain kind of fundamentalism anyway. And, though I don’t know Joseph, I think I know what would drive him to get as far away as possible from what he calls (I would find out later) a “high control” group.
I feel that if I knew Dr. Zichterman personally, I would probably like him. We could possibly be friends. I know nothing of his personal experiences within the circles of fundamentalism that he knew (the same that I know), but I know enough to know that his critical analysis of these circles as “high-control” cultures is pretty much right on the money. His insight into the way leadership functions in these circles sparkles, I think, with the intrigue of personal experience. I should be very clear here: he never names his former circles specifically. He is careful to use as illustrations Mormon polygamists and the like. But even a dullard can connect the dots.
He speaks well. I like what I hear. The man feels and I like that. I like men with feeling and passion. I feel that I would share with him hot feelings for our Savior. It is worth listening to his lecture just to hear him feel.
Well, today I listened carefully to Zichterman’s lecture entitled “Why I joined Willow Creek” and I strongly recommend that every fundamentalist who cares about the Body of Jesus Christ listen to it. This lecture is extremely valuable for several reasons:
1. Zichterman’s was a Church Growth Movement expert as an antagonist in fundamentalist circles prior to his “Damascus road experience” where he switched sides. His first dissertation was on the Church Growth Movement.
2. Zichterman abandoned fundamentalism for the Church Growth Movement in part because of the spiritual abuse he experienced within fundamentalism.
3. Zichterman is well-read on the subject, emotionally-charged, and lays out a very articulate case for the Church Growth Movement which, though I believe it falls short of giving an adequate defense, at least masterfully exposes the fatal flaws of fundamentalism.
4. This lecture has all the vigor, zeal, pathos, and conviction of a new convert who is unmistakably calling out to his fundamentalist brethren to break the shackles of their high control group and repudiate the John MacArthur-esque suspicion of the Church Growth Movement.
For these reasons alone, it is worth listening to. If Fundamentalist leaders try to ignore it or discourage their followers from hearing it, particularly the ones who may be sympathetic to Joseph, they will only prove Zichterman’s point. There is only one good option, I think, and that is to consider what the brother has to say.
The lecture is long. About an hour and a half. And there are several parts to it. The first part is a very brief overview of the history of the Church Growth Movement (hereafter CGM). Here Zichterman briefly outlines the theological and philosophical foundations for the thinking of such men as Bill Hybels and Rick Warren. This, of course, is done in a very positive light and no Biblical criticism whatsoever is allowed to interact with the CGM’s basic tenets. Among the basic tenets of the CGM that Zichterman offered are the
1. Preeminence of Evangelism
2. Necessity of Numerical Growth. “Anything alive is growing. If it is not growing, it is dying” (Rick Warren). This included a brief explanation of the Principle of Receptivity and so forth.
3. Targeted People Groups
4. The Removal of extra-biblical barriers to conversion. Here Joseph gave three non-negotiables that the CGM agree on:
a. The inspiration of the Bible
b. The Person of Christ. He is God and Man.
c. Salvation is in Christ alone.
At this point, Zichterman opened the can of worms he would dive into again a few minutes later: the issue of women in the church. While I sympathized with him on many points, one of his arguments struck me as a bit histrionic:
What an absolute tragedy it would be if a woman in your community refused to get saved because she was given the unscriptural impression that she would have to step down socially [from her status] in modern-day egalitarian America.”
Frankly, it is hard for me to imagine an unconverted woman even contemplating whether she could be a preacher/teacher in the church when she is first confronted with the Gospel. And, if that is in the back of her mind, I hardly think that she really understood the Gospel in the first place. We all step down. And we can’t even bring ourselves to look up. Oh, well. . .
Here also, Joseph began to repeat a phrase about the danger of being too conservative and he championed the virtues of discernment. Anyone serious about God, he said, knows that “being an inch too conservative on any issue is not God’s best.”
Frankly, I agree. But it seems to me that discerning people would also opine about the danger of being an inch too lax about issues that may be really important to God. Joseph’s fascination with the Emergent Conversation which is fascinated, so they say, with historical theology, should inform him of the ancient history of certain men named Nadab and Abihu who were a bit too lax. Or does the fascination with history only go so far?
The latter part of the lecture is where Zichterman hits the nail on the head, I think. His grief with high control groups (read fundamentalism) come to the forefront in this section. There are five areas of spiritual abuse that are common in high control groups.
First, women are extremely suppressed. Male Chauvinism is often cloaked in a so-called obedience to texts such as 1 Timothy 2 and so forth.
Frankly, I think he’s right. I hold to a strong complementarian position (Joseph obviously leans to egalitarianism), but I have been distressed to the point of anguish by the abuse women have undergone in right-wing, fundamentalistic churches. I have counseled enough women who have undergone spiritual, emotional, psychological, physical, and sexual abuse in mute subjugation because they are supposed to honor and obey their husbands. It is horrible. There’s no doubt about it.
But one gets the impression that Zichterman has an axe to grind and while he does his best to insinuate age-old egalitarian arguments as if they are fresh into the minds of his hearers, he really says nothing new or fresh himself.
Except for one thing.
In this section here, Joseph touches the nerve of the fundamentalist error as far as I am concerned. He commends the CGM for restoring a true understanding of the one-ness of God’s people. While I doubt that the CGM has restored a true understanding, I would certainly concur with Zichterman that most high-control groups (read fundamentalism) have so de-emphasized unity that they have practically purged it out of the Bible. One of the most shocking things for fundamentalists who visit our church on any given Lord’s Day is to hear me pray in the pastoral prayer for other churches, including those who are not within our sphere of fellowship.
Fundamentalist leaders my wish to bury their heads in the sand about the ignorance of the average fundamentalist church-goer, but the fact remains that many of them truly believe that anyone that is not a part of their particular circle is just not quite a Christian.
Secondly, high-control groups consistently use communication that appeals to guilt and shame. How true this is. I weep to admit that I myself have been guilty of this kind of preaching because I thought it was good preaching. While it is important to rebuke and reprove, it is very important to remember that the pulpit is not the place to shame people into doing extra-biblical duties. It is a very fine line to walk.
I found Zichterman’s solution for spiritually abused people who are just coming out of high-control groups to be appalling. I think – at least I hope – that it was mostly tongue-in-cheek. They should listen to Joel Osteen 24/7 for a week just to de-tox, he said.
Thirdly, high-control groups establish group-wide rules of conduct which are profoundly counter-cultural but are elevated to biblical status. True again. We can always spot the members of certain churches here in town. I also counsel people from those churches who are undergoing the worst kind of sinful destruction in spite of the King James Bibles and knee-length skirts. They are too afraid to go to their leaders for real help. They’re too afraid to leave.
Fourthly, lack of accountability among leaders in the high-control group. A “boy’s club,” he calls it. If this doesn’t describe the fundamentalism that Zichterman and I both know, I don’t know what does. Zichterman goes on for some time about the lack of accountability in several areas, including the phony degrees that people can get online and elsewhere. He also talks long and hard about non-accredited schools and, once again, one feels like he has an axe to grind.
Fifthly, money is another reason why high-control groups keep control. If they lose control, they simply can’t compete with mainstream evangelicalism. Group leaders always live better than staffers, he says, and many staffers have to go on welfare to survive. Fine. I’m not sure that I would have made that one of my five characteristics of spiritual abuse, but again, Zichterman wants this message to be heard. It’s not hard to imagine who his target is.
Finally, Joseph Zichterman suggests three insightful reasons why people won’t leave the high-control groups.
1. They have improperly educated consciences. I totally agree with Joseph here, and he makes a tremendous point when he says that one of the best ways to re-educate the conscience of a defector is to teach him church history. There are a number of people in this city who would love to come to a church like ours but they hear that Calvinism comes from the pit of hell and Spurgeon would agree with that! Fortunately, some of them are googling “spurgeon” and finding their ranting pastors to be mis-leading.
2. The loss of relationships. This is perhaps the most insightful analysis because one gets the impression that Joseph speaks from experience. As one who has been trashed by fundamentalist leadership in the most unethical and unchristian ways, I concur with Joseph that “there will be a witch hunt” the second you defect. Leaders will spin stories and do anything they can to defame you and make them look magnanimous. The “kindest” thing they will do is say that you are “disillusioned” implying that you don’t have the maturity just to get over it.
“If they can get the focus off of the argument that the defector is making so that he has to defend his character, they win. And they will sometimes stop at nothing to destroy his reputation and credibility.”
“The underlying conviction is this: since God would never want someone to leave, there must be some sin factor.”
This is all too painfully true. Joseph is right to say that the only ones that will understand it completely are the ones who have been at the brunt end of this treatment. But I believe that Joseph’s generalization about how leadership functions in these high-control group is painfully on the mark. I just don’t think the leaders themselves realize it. While they have abandoned the single-man empire-building of their forebears (for the most part), they have replaced it with a buddy system that watches each other’s backs.
3. Money. The reason people don’t want to leave, he says, is because it will ruin them financially.
My final thought:
I listened with tears. I agree with Bill Hybels that the “local church is the hope of the world” to the extent that it is a biblical church. In the main, I found myself sympathizing and empathizing with Zichterman.
The fundamentalism I hate is the fundamentalism that gives no answers. Just imbibe groupthink and God forbid that you should ever fall out of grace with the powers that be. Recently I talked with a mutual friend of ours. Our conversation was about Zichterman. I knew nothing of the man and, therefore, took at face value all the high things that our friend had to say about him. I have sung some songs by Zichterman and have appreciated the work that God has done in my heart through his songs. However, I told our mutual friend that I was sorely disappointed that Joe (as he called him) had joined Willow Creek. I asked him what Joe was going to do with the Emergent philosophy that was there.
Our friend, wounded himself, said that he had no idea what Emergent was, but that “Joe” would certainly not embrace the errors of the Emergent as I portrayed them to him. Perhaps not. I hope not. But Zichterman is in the “conversation,” as he says. Our friend said that since we had to hear fundamentalists blither and blather errors on one side and we survived that, why not hear evangelicals blither and blather on the other side. Certainly, we’d survive those errors as well. Basically, pick your poison, he said.
While I have read and sympathize with many of the concerns of the Emergent, I have found that the road to recovery from the mind-numbing domination of absolutism is actually in absolutes, the cure for dogmatism is, believe it or not, in dogma.
And, yes, Brother Zichterman, one dogma too-long ignored is the one-ness of the Body of Christ. I think this brother left the fundamentalism I hate, but never found the one I love.
I have found another way. The way that I have embraced is paleo-evanglicalism, the stuff early fundamentalists actually lived and died for. The thing Machen valued most. Therefore, I find it extremely sad that a man of brilliant intellect, high zeal, and intense love should leap from one groupthink to another, abandon the frying pan for the fire, and denounce one movement to embrace another movement; a movement that any credible church historian knows is already on its way out.
That’s my knee-jerk reaction.
Posted by Bob Bixby at May 1, 2007 08:55 PM | eMail this entry! | 2543 WordsThis entry was posted in the following categories: Church Ministry , Fundamentalism , People and Places , Theological Controversies
My compliments to your knee-reflexes.
Posted by: Ben at May 1, 2007 09:46 PMSooooooo… your knee-jerk reaction is that you agree with Joe about the jerks in the fundamentalism you hate?
Posted by: Bruce at May 1, 2007 10:09 PMWhere did you say in your essay that you hate jerks in fundamentalism? I missed that….?
I listened to Dr. Zichterman’s lecture in its entirety and have some thoughts about it, but I think it’s difficult to address it on the level of a scholarly or theological talk, because it’s more than just a talk on why they changed “camps.” I have followed the Zichtermans’ ministry for a long time with interest and genuine care, but only from a distance. While there were no specific groups named and indications toward specifics were disclaimered, it is clear that a lot of personal experience provided the background for and tempered or fueled certain aspects of the talk. This was a very public expression (perhaps necessarily so public due to the very wide scope of their previous ministries) of a very personal journey. I’m not so convinced the journey is over.
I think it’s key near the end that he makes a distinction between a moral problem and a theological disconnect behind the thinking of certain “high control” groups. Unlike sinful moral corruption (leadership driven by immoral desires and hypocrisy, thirst for power, etc.), I think I agree with Dr. Zichterman that the primary impetus is a skewed theology through which realities are viewed, what-ifs are imagined, and actions (preventative or responsive) are decided upon.
ASIDE
As a woman, I could identify to a point with what Dr. Zichterman said about the continuing existence (yes, even in circles that have supposedly moved beyond this) of discrimination against women. However, I was grieved to hear his commendation of [I believe it was a quote from Rick Warren about being] the leader who was asked how he disciples his wife. He replied that he doesn’t disciple his wife because they’re equals in ministry. Personally, I’m looking for friends and fellow-churchmembers and pastoral leadership to disciple me. I would hope to find a husband who is determined to make me more holy and present me a better disciple after our marriage than I was before it. And I would hope to be an instrument of God in the sanctification of my husband, as well. Here’s counting out any eligible guy who would refuse to disciple me because we’re “equals.”
[QUOTE]Fifthly, money is another reason why high-control groups keep control. If they lose control, they simply can’t compete with mainstream evangelicalism. Group leaders always live better than staffers, he says, and many staffers have to go on welfare to survive. Fine. I’m not sure that I would have made that one of my five characteristics of spiritual abuse, but again, Zichterman wants this message to be heard. It’s not hard to imagine who his target is.[/QUOTE]
Bob, I understand why he would include this characterization. There are thousands of people who have accepted a welfare-type income to serve in the same type of ministry-related capactiy that Joe did, only to find themselves abused by the leadership that lives high on the hog!
Posted by: Bruce at May 2, 2007 04:45 AMJoy, the jerk comment was said tongue in cheek. Don’t read into that too much.
Posted by: Bruce at May 2, 2007 05:00 AMok, i won’t. =}
Posted by: joy mccarnan at May 2, 2007 07:31 AMBob, you did play soccer didn’t you? Cause that was a nice knee-jerk reaction. I look forward to listening to Joe and praying for biblical discernment as I evaluate the issue. Hmmmmm….
Posted by: Kyle at May 2, 2007 09:22 AMI have not listened to Joe’s explanation, so I appreciate the re-cap here.
No desire to really get into whether this is a referendum on institutions, leaders, and movements, but I think it might be good for all of us to consider whether such radical swings in theology/ideology don’t ipso facto raise questions about qualification for spiritual leadership (at least temporarily).
Perhaps I am mistaken about this, but anyone who openly admits to having been held by the “powers” of some control-centered group should probably take the seat of the learner until he has sufficiently demonstrated the development of the discernment needed to avoid being held captive by the next set of “powers” that exercise sway over his mind.
Shouldn’t one be humbled to the point of silence if one does his doctoral writing on a subject, travels around telling others with certainty about that subject, then does a 180 to embrace all that he once rejected? I understand that men change their minds, but isn’t it so that changes on some levels necessarily call into question the judgment of those who make them? Either they manifested a profound lack of discernment prior to the change or after the change, but either way it calls their qualification for leadership into question.
I hope it won’t be true in this case, but situations like this leave me asking, so what change comes next? How many more of his beliefs will be subject to revision through re-thinking?
[QUOTE]Fifthly, money is another reason why high-control groups keep control. If they lose control, they simply can’t compete with mainstream evangelicalism. Group leaders always live better than staffers, he says, and many staffers have to go on welfare to survive. Fine. I’m not sure that I would have made that one of my five characteristics of spiritual abuse, but again, Zichterman wants this message to be heard. It’s not hard to imagine who his target is.[/QUOTE]
I understand his point here. I’ve seen it first-hand. My parents were Christian school teachers in the 1970’s…. however is the CGM immune from this type of criticism? Do Hybels and Osteen live better than their staffers? Are numbers a motivating factor in the CGM because of finances - or simply for growth’s sake - as Warren would contend?
Posted by: Coach C at May 2, 2007 11:10 AMBob, I am not surprised at your reaction. However, you might consider two things:
First, perhaps you are not privy to ALL the story (and neither am I, I don’t mean to imply that I know anything about this — I don’t!). There may be another side that bears investigation before coming to one’s own conclusions.
Second, you may be reading your own hurts and word meanings into what Zichterman is saying. As I read, it sounds like you are agreeing with your own perception of what he says, not necessarily with what he says.
Regards
Don Johnson
Jer 33.3
Bob,
Thanks for your comments! We have been living in the shadows far to long…Col 2:16-17.
Blessed Beyond Measure,
Dan Warf
missio Dei
Dave,
My wife actually made the exact same point as yours. She thinks that Zichterman’s credibility is riddled with holes since he, by his own admission, has been all over the map ecclesiologically.
I actually wrote a pointed criticism of his lecture first, but decided I would show my sympathetic side first.
Don,
Valid points. But I could care less about the Zichterman’s personal story. I still agree with his broadsweeping generalizations about the high-control movements. Whether he was right or wrong in his personal experience, I don’t know. Nor is it any of my business.
But I don’t sympathize with the “trust-us-we-can’t-tell-you-everything-but-we-handled-it-right” appeals of fundamentalist leadership either. They have royally dropped the ball enough to make me think that the Z’s of the world ought to get at least equal air time.
Your critique is fair, though. I could be hearing something he’s not saying. That remains to be seen.
Posted by: bob bixby at May 2, 2007 11:36 AMBob, I agree that “trust-us-we-can’t-tell-you-everything-but-we-handled-it-right” is not the way to do business.
That said, there are reasons why sometimes nothing can be said, even in one’s own defense. In a litigious society, defending yourself can be costly. And some things, though they could be said to defend an action/position, may require saying too much that could injure third parties, or even the attacking party. Sometimes the Christian ethic demands silence, no?
One thing about Dr. Z’s new stance that seems odd to me, if he is truly critiquing his fundamentalist benefactors, is how that squares with his most recent associations in the fundie world. I have never gotten the impression of the ‘old boys’ network from that branch of the fundie tree, so if that is what he is critiquing, it seems to be a bit of a non sequitur to me.
Regards
Don Johnson
Jer 33.3
Thanks, Pastor. I was extremely frustrated yesterday to see that some of my other Northland alumni friends felt that the proper mode to discuss this situation was by creating and/or joining a facebook group entitled something like, “How Shocked I am about Dr. Zichterman’s change of direction.” The tone of gossip doesn’t edify anyone. I do appreciate though, since Dr. Zichterman has put his views out there so publically, discussion that comes from a different tone and look forward to further thought-provoking items on this topic.
Posted by: karyn at May 2, 2007 01:09 PMYes, like these other commenters, I want to thank you for your tone and content posted here. Dr. Zichterman was one of my favorite professors, so, wanting to understand his decision, I too listened to his website’s MP3 yesterday, and, like you, with tears.
I think what makes me saddest is to know that, for a while (!), he may have been hurting and I didn’t know it.
His decision also confuses me because Prof Z. taught my doctrines classes. He explained to me where megachurches have failed and how we know the gift of prophecy has ceased. Last night, I also lay awake in bed, thinking about these things. And I’ll be thinking about them for a while.
He’s always been one to stretch my mind, so it makes sense that this is no exception. I’m thankful for the push out of my comfort zone (mentally) and desiring to stick close to the Word as I study.
Posted by: Shanna at May 2, 2007 01:57 PMBob, I agree that “trust-us-we-can’t-tell-you-everything-but-we-handled-it-right” is not the way to do business.That said, there are reasons why sometimes nothing can be said, even in one’s own defense. … Sometimes the Christian ethic demands silence, no?
True enough. All the facts do not always need to be shared and often times shouldn’t be shared. But because some facts can’t be shared doesn’t mean that we blindly accept that everything was handled right.
Posted by: Terry Riegel at May 4, 2007 01:36 PM